The Decline and Fall of the West | Dr. Jim Penman and Stefan Molyneux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9dcXOGD3fo
Jim Carrey spelar rösten Ebenezer Scrooge,
“Disney’s A Christmas Carol,” uses a big, noisy and sometimes terrifying version of the Charles Dickens tale on which it is based.
<--C stands for civilization !-->
34:55 “Scrooge is one of my role models just might say for Christmas Carol. I know he´s not considered the greatest of people but he was the kind of man who was incredible wealthy but lived a very very abstemious austere sort of personal life. That is very characteristic high C attitude. And when Dickens was going on about giving away and all this kind of stuff, he´s the very early stages of this declining seed of what he´s promoting in effect. Which is why people like him so much this days. But nobody has a though of dear old scrooge. But you know, Scrooge was the man who built this society not the Christmas turkey and giving stuff away. Productive investment. Thinking for the future, not the present. To sacrifice current seed, current leisure for future benefit. That’s C.” Dr. Jim Penman
Yes I, the constant analogy that I and others use is:
”Don’t eat your seed crop. You know, it might seem very generous to give your seed crop away to people who are hungry, but you´re all gonna starve come spring.” – Stefan Molyneux, 35:45 , The Decline and Fall of the West | Dr. Jim Penman and Stefan Molyneux
<--Peak of High C in the 19 century !-->
47:50 “When you control children especially infants you can get a very very high C and these people, not only just productive they´re very very good with machines. They´re very good at industrialization, they are very good engineers. And this produces this incredible outpouring of the industrial revolution because this is the highest C side in all of human history. And then of course as we know what happens, this incredible successful high C society creates this enormous wealth which then starts undermine everything. The level of V start to drops much faster and then, particular from the 90ties the little C starts to drop as well, and that happens very very rapidly and increasing so. And the end result is collapse.” - Dr. Jim Penman
49:10 “There is a very big distinction between control and punishment. They are very different, n some way opposite. You can use punishment to reinforce control but my kids for example, I´m a fairly high C character. My kids do not disobey me, and I don’t wipe then, I don’t need to, they just know that what dad says what is to be done is to be done. And they tend to be very hard working responsible well behaved kids. It doesn’t matter what the control is, it could be manners, it could be obedience. It could be diet, it could be religious observance. It doesn’t matter what the nature of the control is, the effect that their behavior is limited and constrained. And ideally in a way that they accept. If they resent it and fight against it it´s not as effective. It´s the thing that they see and “Yes of course”. “I do that because it just natural for me to do it”. To be discipline, to be controlled. That tends to produce the best character. And this is the high C character.” - Dr. Jim Penman
50:35 “One of the most destructive ideas is this whole idea that just love children that´s enough. It isn´t enough. It doesn´t create good character. It must be controlled otherwise they will not have the work ethics, the willingness to sacrifice, they sense of discipline that they need to be successful. And for our society to accept. Absolutely vital. But people get confused, they think control means punishment, it doesn´t. You can have control without punishment, and you can have punishment without control. Like for example, just hitting a kid for no reason has the complete opposite effect and very very bad I might say.” - Dr. Jim Penman
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